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Post by Seharah on Jul 24, 2016 8:11:20 GMT
As you may be previously aware, there have been issues between the past moderators of this forum and with the ones who still currently work on this forum. Although we did our best to be polite to the ex-moderators, as well as our users, we were not treated with kindness nor respect, so we made the decision to temporarily close the forum in order to clean it up.
It came to our attention that vicious rumors were being spread throughout another forum created by the ex-moderators. They painted the moderators left on this forum as villains, which is simply not true. The users of both forums deserve to know the real truth about the ex-moderators that they followed to a new forum. Although we're sorry to show people in such a negative light, we don't want our former users to be taking part in toxic, one-sided relationships with these ex-mods. As their forum was created to be a safe haven for users, it's unfortunate that there's a lot of behind the scenes mockery of users.
Warning that the images you see are not going to be kind, and more people than the ones shown have been the subject of ridicule in chats that no longer exist. Regardless, we believe that our evidence should be enough to convince you that these ex-moderators are not necessarily friends you'd keep. |
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Post by klaine on Jul 24, 2016 8:29:34 GMT
The beginning: Continued under spoiler warning.
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Post by Seharah on Jul 24, 2016 8:59:22 GMT
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Post by Lucas Stark on Aug 21, 2016 21:03:30 GMT
So I do have to say a few things... I was very hurt about the whole situation. It was incredibly shittty and I thought it was particularly telling how someone said it was "fishy" that things got bad the two times I left the forum (the first time being when my grandmother passed away). Those two times I very specifically said I wouldn't be around were the two times I was constantly receiving messages about the forum. Both times had the same person behind the conflict. And yet, after everything that was done here, all the work, the time, the effort, only ONE person ever took time to ask me what had happened. Everyone else never thought of hearing my side of the whole thing. So. Yeah. It hurt me. I was never CLOSEST BFF EVER with most members, but I honestly did my best here... and I also honestly believed people could see that. I was wrong and I see that now. WHAT HAPPENED, THEN, LUCAS??? Well. As it's been said in other places, when our forum began, I was mostly new to the official GF forum. I didn't know EVERYBODY there, but I knew enough to realise it was a really sweet community. So when we found out about GF ending and all, I didn't want to lose what everyone had built over there. Truth be told , the fact that I, Lucas, made this forum was a huge mistake. That said, I didn't do it for some weird egomaniac reason. Despite what's been said about me (with "proof" out of context), that's not who I am. I'd rather mind my own business than handle a lot of public stuff. The reason I made Glee Forever! Friends is much less complicated than that: I wanted the community to go on, I saw a way of making it happen, I did it. That simple.
As I said, though, it was a mistake, because I was new there and I didn't know some people all that well. I made GFF and I needed a staff team. Asked for volunteers, got a good number of people, that was that.
What many of our old members don't know is that there were lots of issues within our mod team. Being nice in public is one thing. Once you have a private conversation, though... people show who they really are. And honestly? I didn't care much about that. As long as the work was getting done, as long as the mod team kept coming up with new ideas, moderating the forum and helping out when we have issues with members, I didn't care what was said in private.
That's the thing, though, isn't it? Things were NOT getting done. Posting a lot and coming up with a new RP are good things, but they aren't specifically moderating. A regular member can do all that, as we all know. Things started getting tense in the mod chat and I made another mistake: letting it happen.
I'm not a confrontational person. I mean, it's been over a month and only NOW I'm saying something. I've seen every little thing that has been said about me and sat here quietly. Cause honestly, what would be the point of standing up for myself? Once I realised how quickly things had gotten out of control, how nasty people were acting, all I could think was: "they'll never believe me, they see me as this terrible guy and that's all they WANT to see".
Anyway. Back to our mod team. Things got bad and tense, I didn't step in as I should have. Things got worse and the mod team, I'm sorry to say, got lazier and lazier. Brainstorming was met with silence. And then, when things got done without conversation (since there was no point in talking), there were mini riots. Did I handle that well? No, absolutely not. Am I the only at fault here? Well, that depends on your definition of team.
So, when the time came for me to leave for two weeks, I was beyond weary. Things had reached a terrible point and the mod chat was the most uncomfortable thing on my Facebook. Still, I figured that things couldn't get too bad.
And well, they did.
The thing about "popular" people is that pretty much everyone agrees with and believes in everything they say. It's a dangerous thing, but hey. That's free will for you.
Things were said, people got nasty. I came back to an empty forum. We talked about what to do, came up with new ideas, stuck together. And honestly?
I've moved on. It still hurts me to think of the whole thing. I cried a lot back then. I think it'll hurt me for a long time. But moving on is wonderful. I'm doing this with my friends, I'm open to meeting new people. I miss a lot from what we had and I'd love to have a bit of it back. But it's not meant to be, then so be it. I'm gonna live my life, mind my own business and work on making Netbox a great place.
I know it's possible.
ALL that said, I do want to address ONE thing. I was wrongly accused of many things, but there's one of them that particularly upset me beyond words. Whenever someone came to me with an issue, I did my best, MY ACTUAL BEST, to help them. That has ALWAYS been the case. And this is proof that, not only I DID try it, two former mods knew about my efforts. I guess they forgot to mention it.
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I made many mistakes. Ignoring a member's issue was never one of them.
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Post by parspy on Aug 21, 2016 22:49:18 GMT
Holy crap this thread was fascinating.
*hugs Lucas* *hugs Hunter*
Wow that Hunter sounds like a piece of work.
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Post by parspy on Aug 22, 2016 1:02:32 GMT
Holy crap this thread was fascinating. *hugs Lucas* *hugs Hunter* Wow that Hunter sounds like a piece of work. WHAT THE FUCK I MEANT TO TYPE THAT DUSTIN SOUNDS LIKE A PIECE OF WORK I'M SO SORRY HUNTER YOU SEEM LOVELY |
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Post by Frandae on Aug 22, 2016 1:05:20 GMT
Holy crap this thread was fascinating. *hugs Lucas* *hugs Hunter* Wow that Hunter sounds like a piece of work. WHAT THE FUCK I MEANT TO TYPE THAT DUSTIN SOUNDS LIKE A PIECE OF WORK I'M SO SORRY HUNTER YOU SEEM LOVELY I see... noted; exposed, blocked, banned LMAO I'm the worst ♥ To be fair I think that a piece of work can be used for both ways? Like good way; what a beautiful person; a piece of work (like something really good and well-made?) and bad way: like yeah that I'm so bad at explainig tho I hate this lmao, so don't worry  ♥ |
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Post by Lucas Stark on Aug 22, 2016 1:08:01 GMT
Holy crap this thread was fascinating. *hugs Lucas* *hugs Hunter* Wow that Hunter sounds like a piece of work. WHAT THE FUCK I MEANT TO TYPE THAT DUSTIN SOUNDS LIKE A PIECE OF WORK I'M SO SORRY HUNTER YOU SEEM LOVELY I love that your avatar seems to fit this so well.  |
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Post by parspy on Aug 22, 2016 1:08:04 GMT
WHAT THE FUCK I MEANT TO TYPE THAT DUSTIN SOUNDS LIKE A PIECE OF WORK I'M SO SORRY HUNTER YOU SEEM LOVELY I see... noted; exposed, blocked, banned LMAO I'm the worst ♥ To be fair I think that a piece of work can be used for both ways? Like good way; what a beautiful person; a piece of work (like something really good and well-made?) and bad way: like yeah that I'm so bad at explainig tho I hate this lmao, so don't worry ♥ you're right! haha okay you're officially my PR person going forward, fixing everything I say after the fact.  but no really, Hunter/Klaine seems lovely, and Dustin seems ... not lovely |
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Post by klaine on Aug 22, 2016 1:08:27 GMT
Holy crap this thread was fascinating. *hugs Lucas* *hugs Hunter* Wow that Hunter sounds like a piece of work. WHAT THE FUCK I MEANT TO TYPE THAT DUSTIN SOUNDS LIKE A PIECE OF WORK I'M SO SORRY HUNTER YOU SEEM LOVELY IT'S OKAY i knew what you meant. i'm just unfortunate enough that my real name is shared by an undesirable person who decided to go by it as well. no worries.  |
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Post by Blinvy on Aug 24, 2016 23:14:45 GMT
This is some epic drama. Honestly, best that you're rid of it.
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Post by Liv on Aug 30, 2016 0:02:33 GMT
I didn't wanna make another post about this situation, since the last time I tried to do so, I was attacked for leaving a forum where my efforts had not been recognized or appreciated by most members of our old community. But the lack of response on the matter, when I'm familiar with the fact that ex-moderators are aware of this thread, has me immensely bothered. I don't need anybody to respond to this, validating my feelings or my right to be annoyed or frustrated by them, but since I've seen people talk shit about me behind my back while also trying to paint me as, "crazy, over worked and over stressed", I'm not just gonna watch other people discuss the subject without at least trying to say everything I feel I need to say. I'll go through this according to my own timeline; - Glee Forever! announces its ending, leading Lucas to create this forum as a way for everyone to keep in touch with each other once the game is gone.
- I, along with a few other members, offer help to moderate the forum.
- As Lucas decided on who was helping out with the forum, Kalli made a group chat on FB to help us have a way to contact each other and talk about the forum.
- Everyone is super excited for the first two weeks or so, and eager to be helpful in some way.
- After the excitement wore off, some of our mods were met with the harsh reality: managing a forum is not all fun and games, it is time consuming and, in all honesty, incredibly tiring when a few of the people who are supposed to make such task easier, aren't exactly helpful when presented with actual issues.
- BUT, the forum was still small and, sincerely, whenever anything was up, Brooke, Lucas, and Sarah always tried to at least give their opinions to make sure we could all reach a sollution and move on from the issue at hand, so at the beginning, that wasn't much of a problem.
- I'm not gonna talk about how certain moderators should've or could've been more helpful, because at the end of the day, when something happens, we have to try our best to deal with it as soon as it happens, and so, at least having access to Messenger/FB for most of your day was essential. So, truthfully, what I'm saying here is that some people just don't have (or don't want to make) time to moderate a forum. This is only a fact I'm stating. I'm not questioning anyone's abilities to actually run a forum, just whether or not they should, considering their daily schedules.
- But moving on, I was excited about the forum. I wasn't constantly reaching out to any of our users, as everyone's favorite mods were, but I was excited about it, I tried my best to come up with ideas to keep Glee Forever! Friends active and try to attract more people to sign up here. Truth is, none of our mods cared about that, so all my ideas were met with silence or "great", "good", "sounds cool" responses. So, not motivating at all.
- I got fed up with the fact that I was the only one actually trying to make the forum better and have a wider reach. With that, and added tension from a conflict of interests, I stopped reaching out to most moderators outside the modchat, which caused Dustin (or "shadowfishy", if you will) to find me unapproachable.
- Let me make something clear: up until that point, I did not block anyone. I did not ignore anyone. I did not say anything to anyone. I simply stopped reaching out to interact with them. That's IT. All I did was keep my mouth shut. And that had Dustin (or again, "shadowfishy", if you will) thinking I had become an unapproachable person and therefore, my behavior needed to be brought up with other mods AND a regular user, who ended up bringing the "issue" up with the forum's administrator, Lucas.
- Lucas brought it up to me and, again, I hadn't done anything but leave a RPing game (that simply wasn't entertaining me anymore), and keep shit to myself, so, yeah, I was definitely upset to hear about people saying I had been inappropriate as a moderator when
- I was the only one coming up with new ideas for the forum.
- Hadn't even talked to any of the four people involved in a while to make them, somehow, feel uncomfortable.
- People were discussing personal distrust/miscommunication issues they had regarding myself with others, instead of talking to me about it.
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- All of that led to, yes, an extremely stressed person who wanted absolutely nothing to do with some moderators after having them switch up on me for absolutely nothing.
- A few weeks later, I decided that I had enough of their antics and quit the forum. I didn't say anything on the mod chat, I simply told Lucas, "I'm done" and deleted my account.
- But of course, that wasn't the end of it. I still had friends on the forum, I still had friends on the modchat, so yeah, I was made aware of a new forum being made about, maybe, two? or three? weeks later after I left and so, I had two extremely anxious friends because regular users had been demanding answers they didn't have, about situations they weren't even 100% aware of. Why is that? Because extremely entitled moderators decided to create another forum and recruit members from the one they were leaving, behind the rest of their team's back.
- I was upset for them, and for all the time and effort I had spent on the forum, as it was being dismissed because Dustin (or again, "shadowfishy", if you will) was angry he had been demodded, even though he had been done so after he left the moderator group chat with no explanations whatsoever for 30 hours.
- Was demodding him, without reaching out to all of the moderators and Dustin (or again, "shadowfishy", if you will) himself to discuss the issue, wrong? Yes.
- Was Dustin (or again, "shadowfishy", if you will) at fault for what happened? Absolutely. I've said this before but, everyone feels anxious every now and then, some more often than others, and it sucks. But this wasn't Dustin's (or again, "shadowfishy", if you will) first issue regarding his behavior as a mod, as you can see on the screenshots Sarah posted, he would always try to change the subject whenever serious problems arose or make light of it.
- Then again, this isn't a "black and white" issue. Sarah and Lucas might've been the ones to blame for that mistake, but it was everyone's fault that no one felt comfortable talking to each other anymore.
- So anyway, fast foward to a few days later on, when our forum had been temporarily closed, I hear about them posting screenshots of our modchat out of context to try and make it seem like we were the lazy moderators with a superiority complex they had been. So we (me, Lucas and Sarah) agree that we should at least give our old users the opportunity to hear the actual happenings going on in that group chat.
- As you're able to see, they had never been truthful about any of their feelings regarding regular members. In fact, they hadn't even been truthful about their feelings regarding each other, so I guess that should tell you a lot about their characters.
- I might not have been a super friendly moderator but I can, with a clean conscience, tell you all I have never pretended to be a friend of anyone, while talking shit about them behind their back.
- I only did my best to make it so the forum wouldn't fade into nothingness, but I guess they somehow accomplished just that, since GFF is over.
Anyway, there are quite a few personal details here, yes, but this has been personal ever since I've had people call me names behind my back and try to attack me for my looks -which is literally insane because I always look so fucking good- on their own little closed up, safe heaven of a forum. So, that's it. And be careful who you trust. |
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